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troops to withdraw from afghanistan next month. "the washington post" reports the president's decision will set the draw-down schedule for the 23,000 surged troops he sent to afghanistan last year. according to "the post" commanders, the surge succeeded in clearing certain parts of afghanistan. although the president has not made a final decision yet, he will likely remove all of the troops since the end of 2012. the announcement comes since the relationships stalled between the u.s. and the taliban. hillary clinton will discuss afghanistan and pakistan on thursday. it comes as a new poll conducted for "the hill" shows that 72% of voters believe the united states is involved in too many foreign conflicts and should bring the troops home. only 16% agree with current troop levels. it's a big story. a lot of good things to talk about today. and you wrote about this in your politico speech, which we'll read later. >> jonathan, what's the president do tomorrow? >> i think he's going to announce that he's following through what he said a
troops to withdraw from afghanistan next month. "the washington post" reports the president's decision will set the draw-down schedule for the 23,000 surged troops he sent to afghanistan last year. according to "the post" commanders, the surge succeeded in clearing certain parts of afghanistan. although the president has not made a final decision yet, he will likely remove all of the troops since the end of 2012. the announcement comes since the relationships stalled between...
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what constitutes success in afghanistan when the number of al qaeda in afghanistan is small and the real issue is in pakist pakistan. and, you know, there are a lot of military people who believe it's time to pull out of afghanistan. >> let's do a little math here. we're spending about $150 billion a year in afghanistan, right? we're about to talk about the budget. >> yeah. >> cia director says there are 50 al qaeda members left in afghanistan. i'm not good with math. you're an economist. what is 50 into $150 million? >> that would be $3 billion, right? >> so we're spending $3 billion a year per afghanistan fighter. >> doesn't seem like a good ratio, does it? >> let's see, $3 billion per afghanistan fighter. >> say high yield cost here. >> say high yield cost. >> i think this is a high unit cost. >> want to follow up. what is winning? let us define winning in afghanistan. when we went in there in 2001, winning was getting rid of al qaeda, making sure al qaeda was not -- afghanistan was not a sanctuary by -- for al qaeda anymore. can we say since there are only 50 members of al qaeda in a
what constitutes success in afghanistan when the number of al qaeda in afghanistan is small and the real issue is in pakist pakistan. and, you know, there are a lot of military people who believe it's time to pull out of afghanistan. >> let's do a little math here. we're spending about $150 billion a year in afghanistan, right? we're about to talk about the budget. >> yeah. >> cia director says there are 50 al qaeda members left in afghanistan. i'm not good with math. you're...
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we can phase down afghanistan. not saying you can. >> in 1967, not butter. >> not here to say don't ever draw down an çafghanistan. i'm saying we had one increment of progress in the intermediate term that the general identified and we should accomplish it before putting the political calendar in front of it. >> let's move through the campaign. politics is a funny thing, isn't it? today's -- >> carefully. >> how's your family handling the presidential campaign? it's -- it's something -- >> exciting. >> you said governor, senators, all of the people who have been in politics, they think they've seen it all. then they run for president, and it's just like nothing anybody could be prepared for. >> unfortunately my wife, mary -- i wish you could meet her. been married for 23 years, we me at the university of minnesota, she believes in the cause, which is doing what we can to get the country back in to flas and using the skills and gifts we've been going to do that. we have two teenage daughters, they both like boys a
we can phase down afghanistan. not saying you can. >> in 1967, not butter. >> not here to say don't ever draw down an çafghanistan. i'm saying we had one increment of progress in the intermediate term that the general identified and we should accomplish it before putting the political calendar in front of it. >> let's move through the campaign. politics is a funny thing, isn't it? today's -- >> carefully. >> how's your family handling the presidential campaign?...
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why can't he do it on afghanistan? >> the thing is, us leaving this year or ten years from now, leaves the same realities on the ground. the same exact realities and every everybody knows it. >> joe, the question on the table is what was the objective in the first place? was it solely to get osama bin laden because we heard he was hanging out in caves in part of the region. or was it for a broader reason or stable iegz afghanistan and that question still on the table. >> as jon meacham has said here and he's exactly right, at some point an anti-terrorism campaign turns into an anti-insurgency campaign. and when it turned into the anti-insurgency campaign we got out of killing the bad guys and building a country. that was not've iraq. >> when they're running around with tar get on their backs. they spend weeks building schools and infrastructures that are going get blown up again. >>> we're going to talk to senator mark warner of virginia and republican connie mack of florida. also larry king will be on set. >> there's
why can't he do it on afghanistan? >> the thing is, us leaving this year or ten years from now, leaves the same realities on the ground. the same exact realities and every everybody knows it. >> joe, the question on the table is what was the objective in the first place? was it solely to get osama bin laden because we heard he was hanging out in caves in part of the region. or was it for a broader reason or stable iegz afghanistan and that question still on the table. >> as...
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and if pakistan needs afghanistan's help, afghanistan will be there with you. >> young men and women are fighting and dying in afghanistan for a man that said he would side with pakistan in a war against the united states. >> this war is ill-advised, unwarranted at this point. we are involved in a local, civil, and regional war, where vital u.s. interests are not at stake. and at the end of the day, no matter how much we accomplish, six months a year later, you will not see massive traces of everything the united states sought to bring about. this is truly misguided, it should be wound down, not completely eliminated, be uh we should wind down our involvement there at a far faster rate than we are. >> i can make an argument that keeping troops in iraq would be far more in the united states interest than keeping troops in afghanistan. this is an absolute nightmare. you don't have leaders of iraq saying the things that -- and, of course, i'm glad we're getting out of iraq. but, you know, the president campaigned in 2008 that afghanistan was the good war. he tripled the number of troops
and if pakistan needs afghanistan's help, afghanistan will be there with you. >> young men and women are fighting and dying in afghanistan for a man that said he would side with pakistan in a war against the united states. >> this war is ill-advised, unwarranted at this point. we are involved in a local, civil, and regional war, where vital u.s. interests are not at stake. and at the end of the day, no matter how much we accomplish, six months a year later, you will not see massive...
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the white house's own words on afghanistan. on the reat side we haven't seen a terror threat imnating for the past seven or eight years. there's clearly been fighting and threats inside afghanistan talking the 50 or so in the unit. there is no effort within afghanistan to use that country to carry out attacks. again, we don't see a transnational threat out of afghanistan in terms of the terror threat and it's not going to affect it all. the threat in pakistan, either. the white house's own words. there has not been a terrorist threat out of afghanistan for the past seven or eight years. afghanistan, the white house does not see as a terrorist threat toward the united states. or pakistan. how do you square that with what the president of the united states is saying publicly? >> back home in west virginia, i said we went to afghanistan for the right reason. we are staying for the wrong reason. that's as simple as i can put it. we seem to be staying well beyond our mission of counter terrorism. we ask people on the show why are we
the white house's own words on afghanistan. on the reat side we haven't seen a terror threat imnating for the past seven or eight years. there's clearly been fighting and threats inside afghanistan talking the 50 or so in the unit. there is no effort within afghanistan to use that country to carry out attacks. again, we don't see a transnational threat out of afghanistan in terms of the terror threat and it's not going to affect it all. the threat in pakistan, either. the white house's own...
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who are we fighting in afghanistan? >> the secretary of defense -- >> he can't say. >> i mean, i get -- >> we're fighting the taliban. the last time i checked the taliban doesn't want to invade santa monica, california. >> dr. brzezinski said that on this show, remember, willie, dr. brzezinski said as we moved forward and the white house should have listened to him, barack obama should have listened to dr. brzezinski two years ago. because he said we're coming to a fork in a road. we've been fighting al qaeda. we don't want to get into a war where we're fighting the taliban, because the taliban as reprehensible as they are, do not want to knock down build innings new york city. al qaeda does. the taliban does not have an international theory of destruction to destroy the united states of america. al qaeda does. guess what? leon panetta says there are only 50 al qaeda members, again, in afghanistan. we have shifted over the past two years, three years, into a war against the taliban. instead of a war against al qaeda. an
who are we fighting in afghanistan? >> the secretary of defense -- >> he can't say. >> i mean, i get -- >> we're fighting the taliban. the last time i checked the taliban doesn't want to invade santa monica, california. >> dr. brzezinski said that on this show, remember, willie, dr. brzezinski said as we moved forward and the white house should have listened to him, barack obama should have listened to dr. brzezinski two years ago. because he said we're coming to a...
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is drawing back at afghanistan at this point cutting and running? >> you'd have to say it's ten years onç and we've invested a awful lot. i was interested to hear that just rises out of the debates of the '60s and '70s about vietnam. surprising language. overall, i have to say, even with romney's defense of afghanist afghanistan, i thought this debate was a lot less bellicose than the last two weeks ago when the candidates were willy-nilly talking about covert action here and take out this one here. and it was very strong rhetoric. and rhetoric really setting up the republican primary voters for a possibility with a -- u.s. war with iran. i thought there was much less of that, much more caution. i'm not sure about a no-fly zone here. wariness. and i think that's speaking to the public. the candidates probably found that out over the last two weeks. >> thanks so much. great to have you back on the show. >>> coming up next, newt gingrich had interesting things to say on immigration. >> and as we heard from major garrett, that's only going to hurt hi
is drawing back at afghanistan at this point cutting and running? >> you'd have to say it's ten years onç and we've invested a awful lot. i was interested to hear that just rises out of the debates of the '60s and '70s about vietnam. surprising language. overall, i have to say, even with romney's defense of afghanist afghanistan, i thought this debate was a lot less bellicose than the last two weeks ago when the candidates were willy-nilly talking about covert action here and take out...
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then you get to afghanistan and realize how much more complicated afghanistan was than iraq could be. the fact that we put a focus on afghanistan is a good thing. the question is, do you think about the time that was lost? that we had had insufficient support op the ground who would really conduct a strong surge. >> we'll get to one more must read. new york times, barack obama blazed like luke sky walker in 2008 but never learned to channel the force. now the tea party ran off with his lightsaber. when he had power, he didn't use it. he wanted to be a transformational president like ronald reagan. reagan showed strength without raising his voice. now, when the high school principal has been browbeating congress to create jobs, he is distracted from that task as he tries to save his own. there's really sering -- there was an incredible pete in the new york times. what happened to obama's passion. i don't know if it's that fair. >> to follow up with what i said at the top of the show, in passion steve rattner said, when he had power, he didn't use it. as maureen said, we had all these c
then you get to afghanistan and realize how much more complicated afghanistan was than iraq could be. the fact that we put a focus on afghanistan is a good thing. the question is, do you think about the time that was lost? that we had had insufficient support op the ground who would really conduct a strong surge. >> we'll get to one more must read. new york times, barack obama blazed like luke sky walker in 2008 but never learned to channel the force. now the tea party ran off with his...
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he talked about tripling the number of troops in afghanistan. you talk about attacks in other countries. we are conducting secret wars in many more countries that we haven't declared war against. the drone attacks you were talking ant. it's absolutely shocking that the left is as quiet as they are. >> i think what you are saying is absolutely right. we expanded our military overreach throughout the region. we are not responding effectively to these big political changes under way. i think we are more and more bogged down. yes, the obama administration expanded the afghanistan war. we are still in iraq. i'm still predicting they are going to ask us and we are going to agree to stay on. we wanted those bases all along. >> on and on and on. it's not only washington inc, it's war inc. it will say it again, pat, you know, our problems economically are not disconnected from the fact we are conducting more wars than ever before. secret wars, dropping bombs on countries we don't have war declared against. it's going to go on and on. i don't think anybod
he talked about tripling the number of troops in afghanistan. you talk about attacks in other countries. we are conducting secret wars in many more countries that we haven't declared war against. the drone attacks you were talking ant. it's absolutely shocking that the left is as quiet as they are. >> i think what you are saying is absolutely right. we expanded our military overreach throughout the region. we are not responding effectively to these big political changes under way. i think...
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let's show them again, in afghanistan. and, of course, petraeus believes and we do not fault him, because generals want to win wars. and want as many troops possible to win wars. general petraeus and the generals believe we have to be there for a very long time. and yet, gates, our secretary of defense just said last week that any -- that wants to go to war in a place like afghanistan should, quote, get their head examined. as willie just said we're signed up for another five, six years. >> is he feeling liberated that he's sieending his time at the t govern? >> there is something there. >> what you've been expressing for months, maybe years, is now the view of the country. they want to liquidate this war in afghanistan. >> by the way, pat, we've been saying on this show for two years now that everywhere we go, americans want us out of afghanistan. >> sure. >> the hell with the polls. we've given sweechs to republicans and democrats, everybody, they keep asking, why are we there? >> we need a republican candidate who will
let's show them again, in afghanistan. and, of course, petraeus believes and we do not fault him, because generals want to win wars. and want as many troops possible to win wars. general petraeus and the generals believe we have to be there for a very long time. and yet, gates, our secretary of defense just said last week that any -- that wants to go to war in a place like afghanistan should, quote, get their head examined. as willie just said we're signed up for another five, six years....
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they will never be a centrally governed pakistan, i mean afghanistan. afghanistan is not like iraq. give me one more second and i'll tell you what i think is going to happen in iraq. we'll probably go back to having one bloodthirsty tyrant to rule the country. that's the irony of iraq. >> happy days, wes. >> afghanistan is extraordinarily tribal. it's difficult to have a conversation about afghanistan. one story i loved was one of the things we did in afghanistan when i was working with the civil affairs team, giving out flags to children and local leaders. they would look at the flag and say what is this. you would have to explain, it's your country. there's another thing, i think you brought up a good point, joe. afghanistan is not iraq. you are right. there's a crucial player, though that factors in. that's iran. iran is not only very active and involved, but in addition to that, iran is part of the summit takes place in december between the leaders of pakistan, afghanistan and iran. iran is trying to show its hand in the larger conversation. how that plays out is going to have a
they will never be a centrally governed pakistan, i mean afghanistan. afghanistan is not like iraq. give me one more second and i'll tell you what i think is going to happen in iraq. we'll probably go back to having one bloodthirsty tyrant to rule the country. that's the irony of iraq. >> happy days, wes. >> afghanistan is extraordinarily tribal. it's difficult to have a conversation about afghanistan. one story i loved was one of the things we did in afghanistan when i was working...
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it time to get out of afghanistan? >> i think so. i have actually had -- president karzai changed my mind. i was supporting the president and have been for some time. he came out with this thing that would put women back in the stone age. the whole reason for my wanting to give the president's strategy a chance was worrying about the 15 odd million afghan women put back in the stone age when we leave. we are going to leave. now, i think it white as well be seener than later because i can't see a difference between karzai and the taliban. >> there have been a few meetings around the country to educate the public. think based on the polls we looked at earlier, anyone serious about deficit reduction you must have military tax cuts and social security and medicare and medicaid and tax increases. and looking at the polls, the public doesn't get it, they don't get what we need to cut. they all need to give public education it would be smart. eric cantor and the president should together educate the republic. >> '÷3nornorah
it time to get out of afghanistan? >> i think so. i have actually had -- president karzai changed my mind. i was supporting the president and have been for some time. he came out with this thing that would put women back in the stone age. the whole reason for my wanting to give the president's strategy a chance was worrying about the 15 odd million afghan women put back in the stone age when we leave. we are going to leave. now, i think it white as well be seener than later because i...
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it's not just afghanistan. it's not just afghanistan. it fits in -- if you look at the bipartisan reaction to libya, if you look at gates' speech against nato, there is a backlash in general against expensive military occupations or exercises at a time when you're saying sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice over here, and i do think you're right, that's where the two of them align, and i think that's a powerful message and i think it actually works for both parties. >> yeah. >> i think he can also talk with great authority about having served in beijing and watching the chinese economy and the chinese foreign policy play out around the world, which is all tied to their economy, while the united states is involved in the militarization of our enemies around the world. >> and he made this argument the other day in new york. he said, you know, when america's economy is weak, it weakens our handling at the negotiating table with china, and that's a way he'll critique the obama administration. while standing four quarter
it's not just afghanistan. it's not just afghanistan. it fits in -- if you look at the bipartisan reaction to libya, if you look at gates' speech against nato, there is a backlash in general against expensive military occupations or exercises at a time when you're saying sacrifice, sacrifice, sacrifice over here, and i do think you're right, that's where the two of them align, and i think that's a powerful message and i think it actually works for both parties. >> yeah. >> i think...
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then we plunged into afghanistan with the crazy program of building democracy in a modern state in afghanistan while waging a war. we've been there longer than in any war ever. and we have abandoned the peace process in the middle east. so we're in a mess. >> dr. brzenzski, it's willie. good morning. off your point about iraq. as someone who has witnessed vietnam and has a -- has the long lens of history there to aid him in his analysis, will we learn the lesson of iraq? will we learn the lesson of afghanistan now that we're leaving iraq as of the end of this year? what will policy makers of the next generation take away hopefully and learn from that w unjustified and based on false presences, untrue2♪ú stories t to the country, is that you don't undertake this alone in the face of international criticism and even in some cases condemnation. i think the agenda right now for us is to transform the problem of afghanistan into a regional problem and not just an american problem. i think the gender for us is to see if we can in some fashion$x engage iran. an individual who is very concerned ab
then we plunged into afghanistan with the crazy program of building democracy in a modern state in afghanistan while waging a war. we've been there longer than in any war ever. and we have abandoned the peace process in the middle east. so we're in a mess. >> dr. brzenzski, it's willie. good morning. off your point about iraq. as someone who has witnessed vietnam and has a -- has the long lens of history there to aid him in his analysis, will we learn the lesson of iraq? will we learn the...
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we set out to do what we did in afghanistan, we got rid of the taliban, to fix an afghanistan that has never been fixed. we're not going to do that. we're simply not going to do that. >> in afghanistan, once we leave afghanistan, you know this, the tribal leaders and whoever else, heroin takes over. that's the big revenue inside afghanistan. when you take that whole direction with drugs, it still comes back. >> whether we leave in 2011 or 2021, our 2031, the reality is the same on the ground when we leave. >> absolutely. >> al sharpton, that's one of the frustrations about this policy. let's expand it out. not just talking about afghanistan, talk about pentagon spending overall. talk about our entitlement program, middle class entitlement programs that are growing at such a rate they're going to bankrupt this country. how do we start prioritizing. we're cutting an infrastructure, we're cutting an rnd, while china is doubling down their investments. >> when we look at the fact that this country is like 25 in certain educational areas in the world, people with far less resources, people
we set out to do what we did in afghanistan, we got rid of the taliban, to fix an afghanistan that has never been fixed. we're not going to do that. we're simply not going to do that. >> in afghanistan, once we leave afghanistan, you know this, the tribal leaders and whoever else, heroin takes over. that's the big revenue inside afghanistan. when you take that whole direction with drugs, it still comes back. >> whether we leave in 2011 or 2021, our 2031, the reality is the same on...
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spending a week in afghanistan? our libya policy which this was a war that was supposed to take a week and has taken years. asking questions about iraq. when are we going to get out of iraq and start rebuilding america? asking about, you know, the president's terrorism policy. at what point are these republican candidates going to be forced to stand up and state their positions? and actually, admit that they agree with barack obama in a lot of cases more than they would like to? >> the short answer is not very much. it's interesting we're voting for the commander in chief not simply the governor in chief. and you wouldn't know it from the republican campaign so my hunch is other than the foreign policy debate in the fall between whoever is the republican candidate and barack obama, we probably will not get several hours of concentrated attention on foreign policy, which means we're ultimately again going to elect somebody who is going to be making all these decisions about what to say and do about an iranian nuclear
spending a week in afghanistan? our libya policy which this was a war that was supposed to take a week and has taken years. asking questions about iraq. when are we going to get out of iraq and start rebuilding america? asking about, you know, the president's terrorism policy. at what point are these republican candidates going to be forced to stand up and state their positions? and actually, admit that they agree with barack obama in a lot of cases more than they would like to? >> the...
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why do we have 100,000 troops in afghanistan? and why should we keep 100,000 troops in afghanistan for the foreseeable future? >> answer number one, the obvious answer, afghanistan was the base from which al qaeda was able to plan -- >> ten years ago. >> but, you know, ten years is not a long time historically. there are some strategic problems in the world that take a lot longer than ten years. >> al qaeda in afghanistan now. >> we are killing them and in pakistan with remarkable success. we're not going to be able to do that from air bases in the american south. >> so can we occupy afghanistan for the next decade? i don't want to wish -- >> we know it's not an occupation, but our military presence there and in iraq seems extremely necessary, given the unstable conditions in that part of the world. >> 100,000 troops for how long? >> if you want to time frame, if you want to specify a time frame, first thing you do, tell the enemy when they're going to win. >> what is the -- >> you stay there until you have achieved your objectiv
why do we have 100,000 troops in afghanistan? and why should we keep 100,000 troops in afghanistan for the foreseeable future? >> answer number one, the obvious answer, afghanistan was the base from which al qaeda was able to plan -- >> ten years ago. >> but, you know, ten years is not a long time historically. there are some strategic problems in the world that take a lot longer than ten years. >> al qaeda in afghanistan now. >> we are killing them and in pakistan...
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the expenditures in afghanistan. this is going to be linked to our economic crisis here in the country. we are spending $320 million per month on civilian aid to afghanistan right now. rebuilding their country. >> rebuilding their country. >> we've spent nearly $20 billion in total in afghanistan thus far. you drive -- you wind up at a red sox game. drive over roads crumbling, bridges falling down, joblessness left and right. store closings -- >> seriously, the roads -- the roads they are crumbling. >> let's rebuild this country. >> exactly. we're cutting pay for our teachers. teachers are getting fired this summer. we're cutting infrastructure investments with the chinese tripling down, quadrupling down in all of these categories. >> start at the top. talk about taking care of the veterans of afghanistan and iraq. >> right. >> not just in veterans benefits but long-term care. a lot of them are going to need long-term care. school lunches. senior citizen. let's rebuild this country. >> the thing is, pat buchanan, you
the expenditures in afghanistan. this is going to be linked to our economic crisis here in the country. we are spending $320 million per month on civilian aid to afghanistan right now. rebuilding their country. >> rebuilding their country. >> we've spent nearly $20 billion in total in afghanistan thus far. you drive -- you wind up at a red sox game. drive over roads crumbling, bridges falling down, joblessness left and right. store closings -- >> seriously, the roads -- the...
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why do you have 100,000 troops in afghanistan why are you spending $2 billion in afghanistan? why the focus on afghanistan? and their answer is, pakistan. that's the best you've got? that is not the correct answer. anyway, so willie, what do you have coming up next? >>> condi rice was on "the daily show" last night. we heard about this obsession moammar gadhafi had with her, i don't think we understand the obsession. she provides detail when we come back. >>> oh, yes, it is time. i'm here. i'm so excited. >> the yacht has pulled up. >> mika's here. >> to the çmarina. >> the show begins in earnest because mika's here. >> what show? have we been on the air? >> no, we haven't. >> okay. good. >> jon huntsman's daughters, the eldest daughters, they've got the twitter page everyone's talking @jon2012 girls. and they popped into the "morning joe" green room and left a little message. here's what they wrote. they wrote "we love morning joe." we've got to have them on some time. >> that's adorable. >> what else? >> condi rice last night on the "daily show." we heard all this stories
why do you have 100,000 troops in afghanistan why are you spending $2 billion in afghanistan? why the focus on afghanistan? and their answer is, pakistan. that's the best you've got? that is not the correct answer. anyway, so willie, what do you have coming up next? >>> condi rice was on "the daily show" last night. we heard about this obsession moammar gadhafi had with her, i don't think we understand the obsession. she provides detail when we come back. >>> oh,...
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, take back afghanistan and taliban-afghanistan would invite back al qaeda. it's where the experts are split. actually, when you start coming down to looking at it, there are many, many reasons to believe al qaeda would not go back to a taliban run afghanistan. if that's the case, we can get out, the taliban can come back in in significant ways and share power of the country without al qaeda being there, there is no reason for american troops to stay. >> willie geist, we have a lot to talk about this morning. of course, big news. they framed poor whitey. they tracked him down. a good boston red sox fan. they have been hounding this guy for years. >> 16 years later, they got whitey bulger. he's been on the run for 16 years. some suggested he wasn't pursued well enough by the fbi. they tracked him down yesterday in california. he and his girlfriend. so whitey now one of the most infamous fugitives ever, on the fbis top ten list. >> was he using that name? >> call me whitey. >> no yankee fans on the top ten list. >> good to know. we have another massachusetts na
, take back afghanistan and taliban-afghanistan would invite back al qaeda. it's where the experts are split. actually, when you start coming down to looking at it, there are many, many reasons to believe al qaeda would not go back to a taliban run afghanistan. if that's the case, we can get out, the taliban can come back in in significant ways and share power of the country without al qaeda being there, there is no reason for american troops to stay. >> willie geist, we have a lot to...
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there are men who super commanded platoons in iraq and afghanistan. i mean, that -- any of our jobs doesn't even begin to compare to the responsibility that something like that takes. i think corporate leadership. >> not just running divisions. you have 25, 26, 27-year-old men and women that have run cities in iraq, in afghanistan while bombs are coming in, where if they screw up, it's a matter of life and death. i've heard ceos talk about this before, where they said, you've got a kid who's 24, 25, 26 in the middle of a civil war running a city in being responsible for sewer, the security, everything else? >> now think about that joe walsh video -- >> he's not going to be so concerned -- >> okay? seriously. >> he's not concerned if there's a problem in the boardroom. >> or his quarterly numbers are a little bit down, as dan said, as they figured this out with the start upnation. >> this is a high-tech military, these kids come back with extraordinary technical skills. none of them are doing pure grunt work. they're all dealing with computers -- >> th
there are men who super commanded platoons in iraq and afghanistan. i mean, that -- any of our jobs doesn't even begin to compare to the responsibility that something like that takes. i think corporate leadership. >> not just running divisions. you have 25, 26, 27-year-old men and women that have run cities in iraq, in afghanistan while bombs are coming in, where if they screw up, it's a matter of life and death. i've heard ceos talk about this before, where they said, you've got a kid...
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and what happens the day we leave afghanistan? whether it's five years or ten years, the same thing. >> the challenge we have in iraq is this. we're asking the sunnis and the shiites and the kurds and all the other groups to come together and form this cohesive government and country, we're asking them to do something they've never done before. so by thinking that having five or six brigades of military forces, of coalition forces somehow going to prompt that i think was naive. >> it's a waiting game. >> it's a waiting game. >> and it's the same thing with afghanistan, we've got the finger in the dam. we can stay there for 15 years, 20 years, maybe we can stop the flooding, but we're going to have to go home at some point, and when we do, the water's going to rush in. >> what happened was we used a whole lot of u.s. resources to train up the iraqi forces, train up the iraqi special forces doing the same thing in afghanistan so the problem becomes as we begin to redeploy our troops and bring our troops home, we have better trained,
and what happens the day we leave afghanistan? whether it's five years or ten years, the same thing. >> the challenge we have in iraq is this. we're asking the sunnis and the shiites and the kurds and all the other groups to come together and form this cohesive government and country, we're asking them to do something they've never done before. so by thinking that having five or six brigades of military forces, of coalition forces somehow going to prompt that i think was naive. >>...
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if we reduced our force levels in afghanistan, we would be far less dependent having to get supplies or anything else through pakistan. what we need to do is distance ourselves as best we can from them at the same time understanding they have the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world. this country is -- remains the biggest single problem out there for which there is no fix or no solution. >> hmm. still ahead, round two, jon stewart back for more late night with bill o'reilly. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ kids today have superheroes that lift buildings. and superheroes that fly. but what if we could go to a place where real superheroes lived. ones who moved mountains. lifted an entire people. and taught the whole world how to fly. come see america's greatest history attraction, the henry ford. and ignite the spark of imagination in all of us. as we watch our heroes come alive in pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org. [ technician ] are you busy? management just sent over these new technical manuals. they need you to translate them into portuguese. by tomorrow. [ male a
if we reduced our force levels in afghanistan, we would be far less dependent having to get supplies or anything else through pakistan. what we need to do is distance ourselves as best we can from them at the same time understanding they have the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world. this country is -- remains the biggest single problem out there for which there is no fix or no solution. >> hmm. still ahead, round two, jon stewart back for more late night with bill o'reilly. ♪...
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senators and congressmen to afghanistan which is against u.s. law. psy-ops units are only to be used against hostile foreign enemies and here they were deployed against the congressmen and senators. >> i'm still not clear of the difference between just good marketing and good business i want to get information on the people i need to sell to versus waterboarding. what were they getting on these guys? that's not part of this story and i think that's a key ingredient. >> it's unclear, lieutenant colonel holmes resisted the order so as best we can tell, most of what they did was fairly innocuous in terms of doing background briefings but the general staff was asking them to do more, how do we plant stuff in these guys' heads, what are their pressure points, trying to rely on that psy-ops training to get a little extra edge. >> i'm going to say it again if i was trying to sell somebody something, i want to know what their pressure points are, so what about that is illegal? >> absolutely, there's a fine line. the point is there is a line of difference bet
senators and congressmen to afghanistan which is against u.s. law. psy-ops units are only to be used against hostile foreign enemies and here they were deployed against the congressmen and senators. >> i'm still not clear of the difference between just good marketing and good business i want to get information on the people i need to sell to versus waterboarding. what were they getting on these guys? that's not part of this story and i think that's a key ingredient. >> it's unclear,...
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you want our soldiers out of iraq and afghanistan. that is what most americans would say. maybe evenly divided but i think that's where public opinion is trending. so it's supposed to be become more a sievie y diplomatic issu. we have to pay contractors. >> craigslist. put it on craigslist. >> mike barnacle, the situation keeps getting worse in afghanistan. and pakistan, we seem to be in a meltdown. we're dropping drones in pakistan. we're killing innocent civilians. what response do we expect from the pakistani government? >> that's the real number of the iss -- real nub of the issue here. with e can't leave. we can't extricate ourselves from the millions that we send in. today in the papers acause the country, "the new york times," five americaned killed yesterday in afghanistan. we've taken our eyes off that. it's something that we're involved in that we have to get out of. we cannot stay there. both economically, politically, morally. i mean fewer than 1% of our people here in this country fighting the war in afghanistan and in iraq. we pay very little attention to i.
you want our soldiers out of iraq and afghanistan. that is what most americans would say. maybe evenly divided but i think that's where public opinion is trending. so it's supposed to be become more a sievie y diplomatic issu. we have to pay contractors. >> craigslist. put it on craigslist. >> mike barnacle, the situation keeps getting worse in afghanistan. and pakistan, we seem to be in a meltdown. we're dropping drones in pakistan. we're killing innocent civilians. what response...
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>> huntsman on afghanistan. >> i take a different approach on afghanistan. i say it's time to come home. i say this -- i say this nation has achieved its key objectives in afghanistan. we've had free elections in 2004. we've uprooted the taliban, we've dismantled al qaeda, we have killed osama bin laden. i say this nation's future is not afghanistan. this nation's future is not iraq. this nation's future is how prepared we are to meet the 21st century competitive challenges. that's economic and that's education. >> boy. >> so -- >> that is -- what an amazing. i will just say, that's a great answer that fits with what rock solid main street republicans have been telling us for a couple of years. >> that's what i want to know, michael steele. because after the debate my father said well, he's the only one on that stage that doesn't pander. and certainly i like that answer, but i'm not the answer he's going for. >> not even close. michael? >> no, i don't think so. >> so where does it stand in terms of the base? in terms of the audience he's hoping to -- >> i th
>> huntsman on afghanistan. >> i take a different approach on afghanistan. i say it's time to come home. i say this -- i say this nation has achieved its key objectives in afghanistan. we've had free elections in 2004. we've uprooted the taliban, we've dismantled al qaeda, we have killed osama bin laden. i say this nation's future is not afghanistan. this nation's future is not iraq. this nation's future is how prepared we are to meet the 21st century competitive challenges. that's...
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, they'll tell you they're not fighting the afghanistan taliban. they're fight pakistan. there's just -- i mean the -- i don't know if frenemies is a term of art now, but that's some kind of frenemy. >> joe and mika had been talking about the front. i'll be asking if you think we should continue it in july. the bigger question joe was raising did you spun port going in and getting bin laden and if you say yes should they continue without pakistani's permission? is this something you advise. >> did i support them going in, yes. >> did i support not telling the pakistanis in advance, yes, i did because we had reason to believe it would have been leak and compromised. we can trust many of them. >> we don't know which to trust. >> isi runs that company. >> certainly somebody knew bin laden was there. >> isi runs that country. >> somebody in the isi knew. on afghanistan, i think we should we reduce our military footprint 20678914, that's what nato said. that's okay with me. i think our mission is unsustainable. with don't have the rye sources finan fina
, they'll tell you they're not fighting the afghanistan taliban. they're fight pakistan. there's just -- i mean the -- i don't know if frenemies is a term of art now, but that's some kind of frenemy. >> joe and mika had been talking about the front. i'll be asking if you think we should continue it in july. the bigger question joe was raising did you spun port going in and getting bin laden and if you say yes should they continue without pakistani's permission? is this something you...
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money for projects in afghanistan may actually be going to insurgents. the wall street journal reports according to an audit, u.s. aid is acceptable to fraud because of limited control. the u.s. has given more than 70 being dollars to security developments in 2002. lack of oversight and the failure to take certain measurements like cash serial numbers makes payments hard to track. top xanders in afghanistan and yking cia chief general david petraeus is an optimistic assessment to the american campaign calling the afghan war fragile and reversible. petraeus says now is the time to rekindle a once, trusting relationship. >> carl, you talked about debt and the money we have been pouring into the wars over the past decade. we are spending $2 billion to $2.5 billion a week. >> it's never going to change. that's the real point. this is about pakistan, as we said on the show a number of times. how do we deal with pakistan and at the same time, get out of afghanistan except in terms of special forces or drones to represent our interest and chase down terrorists?
money for projects in afghanistan may actually be going to insurgents. the wall street journal reports according to an audit, u.s. aid is acceptable to fraud because of limited control. the u.s. has given more than 70 being dollars to security developments in 2002. lack of oversight and the failure to take certain measurements like cash serial numbers makes payments hard to track. top xanders in afghanistan and yking cia chief general david petraeus is an optimistic assessment to the american...
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i supported the war in afghanistan when it first happened. i lived not far from the world trade center when the attack occurred. i was all for going in and getting omar and bin laden but then what came in the wake of that was an orgy of war that i think has cost us tremendously now. and if john mccain has at last figured out that every time you have a nail, don't pretend you have a hammer, that would be good. that would be progress. because there are a lot of alternatives to war and it's not always the best one. >> i don't know if he'd call it a lesson learned. i think he would characterize his statement differently and we should have him on to do so. now, there's the other side of this, which is donald rumsfeld, who warns against cuts to the defense budget in an interview he did with cnn. >> today with the debt crisis and the deficit crisis, we're about ready to make the same mistake we made after world war ii, after vietnam and korea and then after the cold war, pare down our intelligence, cut the budgets in the defense department and think
i supported the war in afghanistan when it first happened. i lived not far from the world trade center when the attack occurred. i was all for going in and getting omar and bin laden but then what came in the wake of that was an orgy of war that i think has cost us tremendously now. and if john mccain has at last figured out that every time you have a nail, don't pretend you have a hammer, that would be good. that would be progress. because there are a lot of alternatives to war and it's not...
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afghanistan and iraq. and there's just a disconnect, and there's an acceptance that we're going to be there, that there are going to be casualties. my former assistant, josh boke, had the lead story in "the post" yesterday where they had the story about all of the money that we spent on these projects, on these roads. we go in and we build the roads and then turn it over to the afghans and they don't have the money or the experience and so they are even worse potholes in afghanistan in all those roads than in washington, d.c. >> and, pat, we were talking yesterday with someone who compared the united states and afghanistan to the roman empire. and final centuries where it was fighting wars where romans were completely disconnected. and that's where we are right now. we are now fighting wars across the globe that americans are not invested in. >> you know, the great rising power is china. everybody recognizes that. and they are moving all over the world and investing. and here we are bogged down basically i
afghanistan and iraq. and there's just a disconnect, and there's an acceptance that we're going to be there, that there are going to be casualties. my former assistant, josh boke, had the lead story in "the post" yesterday where they had the story about all of the money that we spent on these projects, on these roads. we go in and we build the roads and then turn it over to the afghans and they don't have the money or the experience and so they are even worse potholes in afghanistan...
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let's talk about afghanistan. we have news on afghanistan as well, mika. this is something surprisingly enough that i think republicans should seize on. there's a report out, of course, that in afghanistan we have been exaggerating our gains against the taliban. the fact of the matter is it's a much bigger mess than we expected. >> that's part of it. there's also news on the surge drawdown. nbc news has learned that defense secretary leon panetta and joint chiefs chairman marty dempsy presented president obama with the first round of the afghanistan surge drawdown. the plan which the military is calling a surge recovery includes how the u.s. will bring home 10,000 american forces by the end of this year. this first round will be a combination of troops that are finishing their tour, not being replaced, troops not deploying at all and troops leaving afghanistan efrlier than expected. according to ooh senior defense official, this first decrease will be mostly noncombat forces, while the second exit round of nearly 23,000 troops by the end of september 2012
let's talk about afghanistan. we have news on afghanistan as well, mika. this is something surprisingly enough that i think republicans should seize on. there's a report out, of course, that in afghanistan we have been exaggerating our gains against the taliban. the fact of the matter is it's a much bigger mess than we expected. >> that's part of it. there's also news on the surge drawdown. nbc news has learned that defense secretary leon panetta and joint chiefs chairman marty dempsy...
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afghanistan. isn't it an improvement from the previous regime? it must be said that it is. i don't think any of this would have happened if there was no 9/11. >> there is obviously the obama supporters don't like us. walter russell needs -- said that barack obama, regardless of the cairo speech is better than george w. bush. >> he will get great credit. i take the devil's advocate. we lost thousands of lives. i hear niall's point. it's hard to imagine america would not find ways to be involved in the global stage. i don't dispute his analysis of this, but to the many lives that have been lost and the trillions of dollars we spent that could have been spent in other ways. i put that forward for argument this morning. >> that's an important point to bear in mind. nobody wants to down play. >> i wasn't suggesting or belittling that as well but the money we have spend and the lives we have lost certainly -- >> i think, you know, i think one way of looking at this is to imagine what future historians w
afghanistan. isn't it an improvement from the previous regime? it must be said that it is. i don't think any of this would have happened if there was no 9/11. >> there is obviously the obama supporters don't like us. walter russell needs -- said that barack obama, regardless of the cairo speech is better than george w. bush. >> he will get great credit. i take the devil's advocate. we lost thousands of lives. i hear niall's point. it's hard to imagine america would not find ways to...
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presence in afghanistan. speaking in iowa yesterday, barbour said americans should not think afghanistan will adopt a western-style democracy. we'll stop there. >> mark halperin. this could be a big break. this could be something that pat buchanan and i have been talking about for a long time. a republican who steps forward who takes a nonbush, nonwoodrow wilson approach to international affairs could be rewarded in a big way in republican primaries. barbour has stepped through that door first. why? >> and there's no figure in the field now, even perspectively with a military background like a john mccain, bob dole or george bush 41. it's safer in the party now. if you can come at it in a muscular way, say i'm for american security, getting the troops out of this unwinnable war in afghanistan. haley barbour has his fingers on the polls. in order to do well he has to be an anti-establishment populous figure, i think. >> right. >> this is an issue that the polls show there's a lot of support. that's the nationa
presence in afghanistan. speaking in iowa yesterday, barbour said americans should not think afghanistan will adopt a western-style democracy. we'll stop there. >> mark halperin. this could be a big break. this could be something that pat buchanan and i have been talking about for a long time. a republican who steps forward who takes a nonbush, nonwoodrow wilson approach to international affairs could be rewarded in a big way in republican primaries. barbour has stepped through that door...
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had in afghanistan and iraq. if you go back to the aftermath of 9/11, there was massive overconfidence about how easy it would be to execute what became bushes strategy for democracization. the american public began to lose faith in the project of dmokization. the economic crisis that began in 2007 dealt a second big blow to american self-confidence. we really felt proud prior to the financial crisis. add trouble with nation building, we were still number one economically. the financial crisis dealt a blow to that. ten years on, the united states feels less powerful than on the eve of the 9/11 attacks. >> did you see team america? >> of course. >> of course. where the united states of america goes around and team america takes care of all the terror plots. sort of the argument regardless of how we got to where we have today, the mistakes me made as a country over the past decade, as we reflect, if we reflect with an open mind over the past ten years, we made a lot of terrible mistakes but we have shaken up the bo
had in afghanistan and iraq. if you go back to the aftermath of 9/11, there was massive overconfidence about how easy it would be to execute what became bushes strategy for democracization. the american public began to lose faith in the project of dmokization. the economic crisis that began in 2007 dealt a second big blow to american self-confidence. we really felt proud prior to the financial crisis. add trouble with nation building, we were still number one economically. the financial crisis...
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we diverge on afghanistan. we shouldn't kid ourselves. despite the tens and tens of billions of dollars that are flowing from the united states to pakistan, essentially we have very different agendas. this is a deeply flawed relationship with a country that supports terrorism, that often works against us in afghanistan and has the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world. >> richard, can you step back and just a broader picture, when you think about george herbert walker bush one of his great accomplishments was managing the transition out of the eastern bloc. is obama doing anything like as well in terms of his management of the whole change happening throughout this region? >> the short answer is no. in part because we have so little influence we shouldn't kid ourselves despite the aid and all that. we are really not driving history in this part of the world. i think you've got to say that. >> all right. up next the must read opinion pages. ♪ ♪ [ multiple sounds making melodic tune ] ♪ [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, e
we diverge on afghanistan. we shouldn't kid ourselves. despite the tens and tens of billions of dollars that are flowing from the united states to pakistan, essentially we have very different agendas. this is a deeply flawed relationship with a country that supports terrorism, that often works against us in afghanistan and has the fastest growing nuclear arsenal in the world. >> richard, can you step back and just a broader picture, when you think about george herbert walker bush one of...